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	<title>Comments on: Benny Morris&#8217; &#8220;1948: The First Arab-Israeli War&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Shriber</title>
		<link>http://www.jewishliteraryreview.com/2008/06/benny-morris-1948-the-first-arab-israeli-war/comment-page-1/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Shriber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 01:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve Pollak:  &quot;Arab casualty figures are more difficult to ascertain and the best Morris can say is that Palestinian losses in the 1948 war may have been &quot;slightly higher, or much higher, than the Israeli losses.&quot; It&#039;s also hard to come by solid data on the Egyptian, Jordanian, Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese losses.&quot;

This is because the Arabs have not allowed access to their archives.

It&#039;s also the reason that Benny Morris came to the realization that his first book was flawed since it offered only one side of the story, the Israeli side and even here he did at the time as most new historians who want to make a name for themselves over-interpreted the evidence.


&quot;Even so, Morris&#039; work undermines the common Israeli belief that its fighters were characterized by a &quot;purity of arms.&quot;&quot;

There was no Israel belief in the &quot;purity of arms.&quot; The Jews fought a relatively defensive war. Compared to other conflicts at the time from India to the Balkans (including the Greek civil war) to other Arab conflicts the casualties in the Arab Israeli wars were pretty light.


 &quot;Israeli forces killed innocent Palestinian civilians, expelled villagers from their homes and, in at least a dozen cases, raped Arab women.&quot;


These were relatively uncommon which is why we kow about them by name. It was the Jews themselves that decried such actions.


In any case, here is a list of wars that should be compared to the Arab Israeli wars:




“Despite the media&#039;s obsession with the Mideast conflict, it has cost many fewer lives than the youth bulges in West Africa, Lebanon or Algeria.

In the six decades since Israel&#039;s founding, &quot;only&quot; some 62,000 people (40,000 Arabs, 22,000 Jews) have been killed in all the Israeli-Arab wars and Palestinian terror attacks.


During that same time, some 11 million Muslims have been killed in wars and terror attacks -- mostly at the hands of other Muslims.

In Arab nations such as Lebanon (150,000 dead in the civil war between 1975 and 1990) or Algeria (200,000 dead in the Islamists&#039; war against their own people between 1999 and 2006),”

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123171179743471961.html




This puts the obsession with Israel in perspective!

It also shows that it is people like Pollack wo would like to believe in the Israeli purity of arms, or rather condemns Israel for not being pure.


There has been no war ever that was fought anywhere in modern times where civilians were not killed.


To condemn Israel for not being an exception is to make an exception of Israel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve Pollak:  &#8220;Arab casualty figures are more difficult to ascertain and the best Morris can say is that Palestinian losses in the 1948 war may have been &#8220;slightly higher, or much higher, than the Israeli losses.&#8221; It&#8217;s also hard to come by solid data on the Egyptian, Jordanian, Iraqi, Syrian and Lebanese losses.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is because the Arabs have not allowed access to their archives.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also the reason that Benny Morris came to the realization that his first book was flawed since it offered only one side of the story, the Israeli side and even here he did at the time as most new historians who want to make a name for themselves over-interpreted the evidence.</p>
<p>&#8220;Even so, Morris&#8217; work undermines the common Israeli belief that its fighters were characterized by a &#8220;purity of arms.&#8221;"</p>
<p>There was no Israel belief in the &#8220;purity of arms.&#8221; The Jews fought a relatively defensive war. Compared to other conflicts at the time from India to the Balkans (including the Greek civil war) to other Arab conflicts the casualties in the Arab Israeli wars were pretty light.</p>
<p> &#8220;Israeli forces killed innocent Palestinian civilians, expelled villagers from their homes and, in at least a dozen cases, raped Arab women.&#8221;</p>
<p>These were relatively uncommon which is why we kow about them by name. It was the Jews themselves that decried such actions.</p>
<p>In any case, here is a list of wars that should be compared to the Arab Israeli wars:</p>
<p>“Despite the media&#8217;s obsession with the Mideast conflict, it has cost many fewer lives than the youth bulges in West Africa, Lebanon or Algeria.</p>
<p>In the six decades since Israel&#8217;s founding, &#8220;only&#8221; some 62,000 people (40,000 Arabs, 22,000 Jews) have been killed in all the Israeli-Arab wars and Palestinian terror attacks.</p>
<p>During that same time, some 11 million Muslims have been killed in wars and terror attacks &#8212; mostly at the hands of other Muslims.</p>
<p>In Arab nations such as Lebanon (150,000 dead in the civil war between 1975 and 1990) or Algeria (200,000 dead in the Islamists&#8217; war against their own people between 1999 and 2006),”</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123171179743471961.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123171179743471961.html</a></p>
<p>This puts the obsession with Israel in perspective!</p>
<p>It also shows that it is people like Pollack wo would like to believe in the Israeli purity of arms, or rather condemns Israel for not being pure.</p>
<p>There has been no war ever that was fought anywhere in modern times where civilians were not killed.</p>
<p>To condemn Israel for not being an exception is to make an exception of Israel.</p>
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		<title>By: Sergei Nirenburg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sergei Nirenburg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 06:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is documented that the expulsion of Jews from the Arab lands started right about
at the time of the UN resolution of Nov 1947 and is not a result of the 1948 war.

It is also incorrect to state that the Yishuv had an advantage in men under arms and weaponry (it would take me too much space to detail this).

The Mount Scopus bus attack was planned way before the Deir Yassin incident, so that the causal connection - just as the claim that Ariel Sharon&#039;s walkabout in the Old City caused the intifada - is squarely inverted.

Morris obviously knows the above (among other things that he prefers not to mention or to explain well enough for a casual reader/reviewer to get a complete picture). So, an interesting question is: why does he choose to obfuscate? The most charitable conjecture here would be that he wants to project the politically correct impression of &quot;even handedness.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is documented that the expulsion of Jews from the Arab lands started right about<br />
at the time of the UN resolution of Nov 1947 and is not a result of the 1948 war.</p>
<p>It is also incorrect to state that the Yishuv had an advantage in men under arms and weaponry (it would take me too much space to detail this).</p>
<p>The Mount Scopus bus attack was planned way before the Deir Yassin incident, so that the causal connection &#8211; just as the claim that Ariel Sharon&#8217;s walkabout in the Old City caused the intifada &#8211; is squarely inverted.</p>
<p>Morris obviously knows the above (among other things that he prefers not to mention or to explain well enough for a casual reader/reviewer to get a complete picture). So, an interesting question is: why does he choose to obfuscate? The most charitable conjecture here would be that he wants to project the politically correct impression of &#8220;even handedness.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Aldiah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aldiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 06:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think that you fill a shit see for self how many plastine dying know
your a killer not a historian how rite about the turth
i belive that you mind is filled with myths and not words</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think that you fill a shit see for self how many plastine dying know<br />
your a killer not a historian how rite about the turth<br />
i belive that you mind is filled with myths and not words</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Levinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay Levinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 12:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After having read your commentary, I feel sad.  War is such a horrible thing and yet it seems that if we don&#039;t fight for freedom we will live under tyranny.  Israel represents hope for not only Jewish People, but also for those struggling in many countries around the world who are being slaughtered as was done in the Holocaust.  I used to be a very left wing liberal until I realized that freedom doesn&#039;t come for free.  Thanks for the enlightening review.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After having read your commentary, I feel sad.  War is such a horrible thing and yet it seems that if we don&#8217;t fight for freedom we will live under tyranny.  Israel represents hope for not only Jewish People, but also for those struggling in many countries around the world who are being slaughtered as was done in the Holocaust.  I used to be a very left wing liberal until I realized that freedom doesn&#8217;t come for free.  Thanks for the enlightening review.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pollak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Pollak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 11:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alan - thanks for the comment.

juli and judd - i never imagined i&#039;d blush when reading the comments for this book review. you guys must be my biggest fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alan &#8211; thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>juli and judd &#8211; i never imagined i&#8217;d blush when reading the comments for this book review. you guys must be my biggest fans.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.jewishliteraryreview.com/2008/06/benny-morris-1948-the-first-arab-israeli-war/comment-page-1/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 06:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good review.  May just have to run out and pick up this book for myself....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good review.  May just have to run out and pick up this book for myself&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Judd</title>
		<link>http://www.jewishliteraryreview.com/2008/06/benny-morris-1948-the-first-arab-israeli-war/comment-page-1/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Judd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 04:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the first reader&#039;s, Juli, comments. I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself: Very nice honey, indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the first reader&#8217;s, Juli, comments. I couldn&#8217;t have said it better myself: Very nice honey, indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: juli</title>
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		<dc:creator>juli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 01:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice honey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice honey.</p>
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